Fly rods are personal…when you find one that suits you and casts just right, get two of them because that model will be discontinued and replaced by something “newer and better” (according to the manufacturer). Probably no rod maker has bridged the gap and followed the progression from klunker fiberglass to modern graphite technology better than Sage. I have owned and fished with many Sage rods through the years. I’m not much of a fly rod techie geek, but when I find a good one I try to hang on to it for dear life!
I found a history list of Sage graphite rods from the early 1980s through 2011. A few comments:
The early RP rods were great casters but be careful with fine tippets and dry flies…lots of meat and easy to break off. If you can find a 490 RP, grab it…great all-around rod for dries or wets and not as beefy as the 5 and 6 weights.
The GFL and Graphite II rods were full flex and a little softer…the 6 & 7 weight GFLs were great streamer rods.
The RPL and Graphite III rods were probably what made Sage famous…really good and versatile rods in any weight.
The LL rods were only made for a few years and are highly sought by rod aficionados, going for big bucks on Ebay!
The SP rods offered Graphite 4 technology. Best sellers.
The RPLX saltwater rods set the standard for saltwater fly fishing…still to this day.
The XPs were classic dry fly rods in the lighter line weights…very popular.
The Fli, Launch and Flight rods were great casters for a fair price.
The Sage Z-Axis rods were the easiest and nicest casting rods of all!
Sage Fly Rod History Chart 1980-2011
Year Model Description
1980-1982 GFL
1983-1985 GFL… Graphite II…RP… Reserve Power for long casts
1985 RPL or Graphite III RPL… High Performance
1985 LL Traditional Action 2-5 Weight (LL=Light Line)
1986 RPLX Saltwater 8-12 Weight
1986 DS Discovery Series – Moderate Action
1986 TH Double Handed ?
1993 SP Graphite 4
1997 SPL… “Best of show” new rods
1997 RPLXi Dark blue finish, revised and improved saltwater
1999 XP Lighter narrower tapered Fast Action
2003 SLT Medium Fast Action
2003 TCR Ultra fast action for experienced casters
2004 Xi2 New Saltwater rod was first with new generation 5 (G5) Technology
2005 TXL… Near weightless for light lines
2005 FLi… Entry Level Fast Action taper with maximum power transfer
2005 Launch… Entry Level smooth progressive power curve and very high strength to weight ratio
2006 VT2… Mid price point upgrade to long running VPS
2007 Z-Axis… Ultimate Fast Action Rod coupled with tremendous feel (2 piece, 4 piece, Spey and Switch)
2008 BASS… Finally released after years of development and even showed up on magazine covers with Snook, Baby Tarpon and Pike
2008 ZXL… Medium action cousin to the Z-Axis in weights 3-6
2009 TCX… Replacement for TCR but fitting a wider range of casting styles (kryptonite green)
2011… Sage ONE, Flagship “all-around” rod Fast Action
VXP… Ultra high speed line and slender shaft, beginner to experienced
Flight… Great features and a great price
Vantage… Medium Fast, value rod
TXL-F… Light Line Ultra lightweight
Xi3… Salt Water Replacement for Xi2
99… Nymph angler 9’9″ with unique taper to make open loops
BASS II… Upgraded for faster line speeds for big flies still good for Bass, Snook, or Tarpon, Pike and Musky
ESN… Designed for European direct line nymphing with multiple flies
For the collectors: the RP series was the first designated model – “Reserve Power” – and followed on the generic GFL release in 1980. It was introduced in 1983, which is easily verified as Sage used an alphabetical serial number starting in 1980 with “A”. The LL’s debuted in 1987 as Graphite II with the silver tubes with red lettering.
Thanks Wim!
Hi Randy
I have a opportunity to buy a Sage XR 7 weight
It’s immaculate and virtually “new”
Price is $325
Can you please let me know what you think
If its a 3 or 4 piece, its worth around $300. Thanks…RB
I got a pair of sp+ graphite IVB. I was told they were the high modules graphite made by sage to date. Nothing was faster at the time. They did really show their stuff till you were throwing most of the line. Lots of backbone for fighting fish . Even when over lined they were cranky when fishing close. I have a 5wt and a 8 wt. used mostly in the salt. They came out during the RPLX. Some time around mid 90’s if I recall correctly. I am interested in what you know about them . I ran into the sage rep 10 years later. He told me they were discontinued , most casters found them unforgiving.and a bit difficult to cast. They were in some respect , but were real cannons. I am interested in what you know of them. That five wt have lande 3 lb bones, 8 lb reds , 36” long mackerel. Grayling salmon bass and crappie.
Hi JD…The Sage SP+ rods were offered as a stiffer, faster version of the SP rod. They were not easy to cast for the average flyfisher so they were discontinued fairly quickly. Thanks…RB
Hey Randy I Have an older Sage #5 6 Graphite 8′. The blank is unpainted grey with dark wraps and on older style screw down metal reel holder, It is a very.very sweet rod.It weighs 3.1 oz . I have 609 Z-Axis,which is a sweet rod. Looking forward to hearing from you
Hi Chester…not sure about the first rod…but the Z-Axis is great! Thanks…RB
hi randy
I appreciate your article on Sage fly rods. I have a old friend whose husband has passed and in an effort to help her and assure she doesn’t get ripped off I’m trying catalog her husbands rods and give her approximate values. I started by looking at your chart and the first one doesn’t entirely match any of your designations.
Sage Graphite III GFL 896-4 RPLB
I know it’s 9’6″. Is this a rod from 1985? I suppose it is a 4 weight rod. Any idea on value or a reference source for value?
Thanks you
Bob
Hi Bob…Your rod is 9 1/2 feet for an 8 weight line. This puts it in the salmon/steehead, heavy trout, light saltwater use category. Graphite III technology was introduced by Sage around 1985, and used until 1993 when Graphite IV came out. The “B” designates it is a blank that was privately wrapped, not factory produced. I would put a value of $150 on it. Thanks…RB
Hi Randy. I inherited my fathers fly fishing and typing collection. One in particular is a Sage DS 690 Graphite 6# 9′ 3-3/8oz. What can you tell me about it? Thanks I’m advance! Jodee
Hi Jodee…your rod is 1986 vintage. DS stands for “Discovery Series” which Sage issued as a mid-line, medium priced rod. The action would be classified on the slower side. These were good, serviceable rods at a fair price. I would place value at $200 if in decent condition. Thanks…RB
Hi
I’ve come across a 14 foot 9 weight Sage Saltwater Salmon fly rod, 4 piece. What market were these aimed at and what age would it be? It’s for sale for $110.
Hi Gerry…not familiar with that one. Thanks…RB
No mention of the first rods.
The SFL series of glass rods.
I have a Sage Graphite 3 890 RPLX #8 line 9 foot 3 5/8 oz. Any idea of a price. Thanks
Hi Les…is it a two piece rod? If so, it’s worth around $150-200 depending on condition…thanks!…RB
thx for all the great historical info on sage rods… i have been in a smog trying to figure out what is what with the various sage rods…. now, i can go forward…
Keep up the good work…
by the way, how does the madison look for flows this spring and summer?
i haven’t fished it since August 1989…
Hi Mark. Thanks for the kind words. As of right now, it’s not looking good for flows around here. Unless we get some substantial spring moisture, we are in trouble (again). We are in a drought. Very concerning. Thanks…RB
Hello, my son gifted me a Sage RPLXi 590-3 Fly Rod 9′ 0″ 5wt 3pc Black, what comments do you have for using in salt water, line weight?
Hi Anthony…Your 5 wt. is a little light for most saltwater use because of wind. It is almost always blowing when flyfishing the salt so you need a little heavier line to cut through the breeze. Usually a 7 wt. is the lightest most folks use for saltwater, and work up from there. Thanks…RB
Purchased back in 2010, I think. 🙂 A Sage XP 690-4 that has been very good to me over the years. I would love to find a 4wt or even a 3wt. What should I expect to pay for such?
Hi John…the SAGE XP rods were very popular best sellers, especially in the lighter line weights which you are seeking. The 3 and 4 weights are hard to find. Expect to pay upwards of $500 for one in decent shape. Thanks…RB
I own a sage DS 9ft. 5 wt fly rod in very good condition. is it worth anything?
Around $200 give or take…thanks.
Hey Randy! I have a sage rod that reads “Graphite III GFL 473 LLB”. I believe it is a 4 wt, 7’3, 2 piece, although I can’t seem to find any info about it online. Any idea what I have here? Thanks.
Correct…it’s a 7’3″ 4 wt…mid 1980s vintage. The “B” means it is probably a blank somebody wrapped. The “LL” means it’s the “Light Line” series and is valuable to Sage aficionados. Thanks, Andrew!
I have 3 XP rods 9′ 7wt, 10′ 8wt and two piece 9′ 9wt. I absolutely love my XP 7wt. Favorite of all of my rods. Fast. I use it in salt. Throws a long cast as well and have caught 10 lb bones with it. Boy I cannot find another one. Are there any? I would grab another if I could find one.
Hey Doug…I would search Ebay…I see the XPs pop up there once in a while…thanks…RB
Hi Randy
I have a sage rod blank
Sage graphiteII B790GFLRP
I purchased this blank as I liked the feel of it ..from what I can see in ur site it was produced from 83-85 era.. would u know the value of this blank ? It’s in prestige shape as it was still in the bag .. thx
Hi Scott…Guessing $100 or so. Thanks…RB
Hey Randy I bought a Sage III GFL 11’3 8wt two handed rod about 25 years ago (1996-97) When did that series of switch rod hit production? It’s a 3 piece rod. I spoke with a gal that used to make rods for sage and she said that it was a rare boutique style rod for back in the 90’s.. and was probably only made in limited amounts? Do you know about the Sage III 8113-3 GFL two handed rods? I’m guessing its a hard to find rod… but I just saw one on eBay from japan
Hey Matt…I know Sage made two handed rods late 80s early 90s because I guided a gentleman in the Keys who used one for tarpon. It was a three-piece rod. I believe it was a 10 weight. That’s about all I know except that you are right about it being rare…thanks…RB
Hey Randy, great info and thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. I’ve got a buddy wanting to sell me his Sage III GFL 690 RPL. I know the size and weight is great for my target, NW Montana trout fishing. It’s in good shape with a little wear on some of the eyelet wraps. What is your thought on a fair price? It’s a two piece and come with a nice hard tube and reel case.
Hi David…$150 would be a fair price for that rod which is nearly 40 years old. Thanks!…RB
Ive got a sage graphite II B590GFLRP…. A 9ft. 2pc. that says “Peggy Special” by “O.J.” Skau…. Or Skan? And underneath that its got an “85” So I’m trying to figure out who peggy is and who the custom builder was…. Anyone with any info on this O.J. person would be appreciated… I’d like to figure out the history of this rod and its maker…. Thanks
Great info here. I have a Graphite II rod from my fathers extensive collection I inherited that has a model number of B696 GFLRP. No other markings on it and am wondering what weight it is. I’m guessing a 7 or so as I know he used it for Steelhead. It may have been something he won from one of the Fly Clubs he was in.so maybe something custom?
Thanks very much!!
Hi Terry…696 means 9 1/2′ rod for #6 line. The “B” prefix means it is a Sage blank…wrapped privately, not a factory finished rod. The GFL rods were early 1980s vintage. Thanks!…RB
Can anyone tell me specifications:
Sage B789FSL
I believe it is a 7wt, 8’9″. Freshwater Light
Had this since I was teenager and I am 61 yrs now. My brother made this flyrod for me.
Hi Edward…It’s a Sage 8’9″ blank…7 wt…that’s an oddball configuration…never heard of that one before so maybe readers can help. thanks!…RB
Hello there! Great thread! I have an old sage rod which reads RPB896GFL Any clues on vintage? It was sold to me as a 5 weight and casts that line very well, although it is heavier than my modern five weight sage…
Hi Martin…you have an early 1980’s vintage Sage blank that was wrapped privately, not a factory finished rod. It’s an 8′ 9″ rod for a 6 wt. line. Thanks!…RB
Brilliant thanks Randy! So sorry for a very very late reply. I just found the rod again and decided to google it once more, which led me to your reply! Great info. Appreciated.
Hey Randy. Great history list. I just “landed” a Sage Graphite II B990GFLRP and it has the name Vince Scotti Jr on it. It is a 2 pc 9′ rod. There is no weight # printed on it. I haven’t been able to find out any history on this particular rod. Any history or price info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for offering Such a great website. I’m a South Carolina guy who Loved the Madison River. Thanks. Michael
Hi Michael…It’s an older Sage 9 wt. blank…privately wrapped, not a factory finished rod. Sage used the letter “B” to designate a blank. That particular blank is early 1980s vintage. I am familiar with that blank and it was a popular bass bug rod. Kind of a “buggy whip” but with lots of power. Probably worth $100 depending on condition. Thanks!…RB
What is a VPS 590Graphite III B ? 5 weight 9’0”?
Worth?
Good reel to pair?
Thanks!
Not sure about that one, Jose’…but if it has a “B” it is a privately wrapped Sage blank, not a factory finished rod. Thanks!…RB
IS THIS THE SAME RANDY BROWN THAT WAS ONE OF RAY’S (RAYS TACKLE BOX) TOP GUIDES?
WOW, YOU FISHED ME BACK IN THE LATE 80S BEFORE MONTANA GOT CROWDED. I COULD ONLY AFFORD A HALF DAY AS I WAS A POOR COLLEGE STUDENT. YOUR INSTRUCTION ON THE REACH CAST HAS SERVED ME WELL FOR OVER 30 YEARS. WHAT HAPPENED TO RAY? I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT BUYING THE STORE BUT NEVER FOLLOWED THROUGH.
I LIVE OVER ON THE BITTERROOT RIVER AND ITS NOW CROWDED HEAR TOO. I MISS THE GOOD OLD DAYS AND REMEMBER MY DAY WITH YOU LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY.
THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES.
Hey Jeff! Ray lives over in Missoula near you. He sold the shop years ago. Thanks for the kind words!…RB
Randy, regarding used graphite in expressed “good” condition or good appearance. It is IMPERATIVE for the buyer to either look closely (in person purchase) or ask online seller if there are ANY nicks in the surface….even the slightest nick. (Like a speeding hook would do on a sloppy tailing loop cast or screaming double haul). They’re often almost invisible but under severe load stress during casting that is where fail. And a failing break at speed on graphite is akin to an explosion. It doesn’t have to be severe or obvious chink. The slightest nick can do. Just like cutting glass….you don’t have to cut deep…..a small scoring…the applied banding. I learned this from Don Green himself in the early HMG days while was still at Fenwick.
I have a Sage Graphite GFL 490 MA. It says Line 4 Length 9’0″. It is 2pc and has a fabric sleeve case as well as a metal cylinder case. Wondering what it is worth? It is brand new, never been used. Was won in a drawing long ago. The cylinder case has some scuffs and scratches from be moved around over the years, but that is it.
Hi Tina…Not familiar with the “MA” stamping…but any older Sage rod that is brand new/unused is worth some bucks. I’m guessing around $250 on Ebay…maybe more to the right buyer. thanks!…RB
I have a opportunity to buy a Sage lll
586 8’6 “5 line 2 3/4 what is it worth he wants 200 with shipping
How old is the rod
Probably a mid 1980s rod…value depends on condition. $200 sounds a bit high, especially if its a two-piece. Offer $125. thx…RB
Hi Randy, Any comments on the SP, Graphite IV series, specifically the 590?? Miss making the annual trek down to Ennis for the Canada Day salmon fly hatch! THOSE were the days!!
Hi Gord…Sage SP 590 G4, 2 piece in decent shape is worth around $150. Thanks!…RB
Hello All…here is an email answer I sent to reader Kevin who had questions about value of older Sage rods, Abel reels, etc. These are ball park numbers based on my personal buy/sell experience, Ebay auction prices, etc. In general, the two-piece rods are worth less than three or four piece because of travel issues, airline baggage restrictions, etc., This is especially true for the heavier weight rods…9-12 weights that are used primarily for “destination” fishing for bonefish, tarpon, golden dorado, etc.
Kevin…
RPLXi 1090-3…..150-200
RPLX 990-2 unused…….200 (this is a GREAT sw fly rod but 2 piece hurts
value)
RPLXi 990-3………….150-200 (GREAT sw fly rod)
GFL 896RP-2………….150
GFL690LL-2…………..300-400…these LL rods are desired by Sage
afficionados…could be worth more at auction with eager bidders
SAGE SP rods…not sure of value
Orvis rods….not sure
ABEL 3N…………250
ABEL #1…………300
ABEL.5………….250-300
Ross Cnyn with spool….200
older ABELs #3, #4 etc…..around 300 depending on condition with reel
covers. Condition is everything with most of this stuff. Nice
collection!….thx…RB
I just inherited two Sage rods and although I don’t plan to sell I’m curious what their value might be. One is a Graphite lll 586-4RPL 8’6” 5 wt. 2 piece and the other is a Graphite II GFL 590-4 DS 9’ 2 piece. Also have a R. L. Winston 8’6” IM6 – 2 Piece Ser# 52979 I’m curious about. All in new condition and in sock and hard case.
Hi Tony…I assume both Sage rods are 2 piece? If so, the 586RPL is worth around $150-$200. The GFL 590DS is worth around $150. “DS” stands for Discovery Series” which were medium priced rods with unfinished blanks and inexpensive hardware. The Winston IM6 is a fine casting rod and kind of rare so I’m guessing it’s worth around $250 in new condition. thanks!…RB
Thanks for the reply and info. I mistakenly said the Sage rods were 2 piece when both are actually 4 piece rods. The Winston is a 2 piece and is labeled TU so I thought it may be a Trout Unlimited Series. I’m not sure any of the 3 have ever been used so I have some fishing to do. I’ll eventually pass them on to my two sons and was simply curious on value.
Four piece bumps the value $100 each for the Sage rods. For years, Trout Unlimited has offered free Winston rods to anyone who signed up for a lifetime TU membership. So you indeed have a Trout Unlimited rod and the value goes up! thx Tony…RB
Thank you. I do appreciate your reply and knowledgeable information. I suppose an extended visit into the Absaroka is in order for the new additions. 👍
Hi, I’m looking at getting into fly fishing. I have someone offering to sell me a 2 piece rod Sage Graphite II DS 890 Line 8, Length 9’0″, 3 9/16oz. What is the value and what would be a fair price to pay. It is in pristine condition, he never got to use it. In the case and rod sleeve.
Hi Jake…$200-$225 is a fair price. Thanks!…RB
Just curious what # fly line would you recommend on.a 6#. Model GFL 690 4 RPL.
And a 7# 790.4 RPL+.
Thanks.
Hi Joseph…if you are using floating fly lines, WF6F for the 690 and WF7F for the 790. Thanks…RB
Hi Randy,
Hope you are well.
Great site and love the history you present onthe Sage rods. Two quick questions. Do you know if they made a 4 piece 9 wt. RPL? What is the difference between the RPL and SP series in terms of action? Thanks!
Albert
Hi Albert…Sage definitely made the RPL 990 rods in four piece…great bonefish rods. I would say the SP is a faster action rod than the RPLs. thanks!…RB
Hello Randy, Looking at a SLT 586-4 Graphite IIIe in mint almost unused condition. Is this a sought after dry fly rod? Is $450 reasonable asking price? Thank u!
Gary,
Based on what is being sold currently on ebay, this seems to be a fair price. A SLT- 489-5 Graphite llle in mint/like new condition with original sock and tube sold for $460 this week. It seems that much of the value is based on the rods condition.
Randy, being the better resource on the rods performance can comment on the rods ability to deliver dry flies.
My two cents.
Sage Xi2 value in good condition? Also, how would that compare to a new Graphite IIIe rod in terms of performance? Have an opportunity to pick up a 6 wt Xi2
Hi Rob…not sure of Xi2 value on secondary market. I know they were popular saltwater rods in the heavier configurations. Maybe readers can help? thanks!…RB
I recently picked up a couple of GFL LL’s in unfished condition. The classic Gii 389 LL (with tube and sock), and a beautiful little Giii 473 LL. Any idea of what I should be asking for the 7’3 4wt? Its as new but no tube, original sock only. The 389 stays in my quiver 😉
Hi Christopher…7’3″ is kind of an oddball configuration and rare. In the condition you describe, I would ask $500 minimum. Thanks…RB
I agree that 7’3 in 4wt is a strange configuration, but it sure feels good with a triangle taper on it. Curious about how it would feel with a DT. Anyways thanks for your response, just love nerding out on your page.
I’m just getting back into fly fishing and I dug out my old rod that I only used once.
Sage SLT 490 ( 2 piece ) with a Bauer M-1. I know I purchased it in the early 2,000’s.
Do yo have any idea on when they stopped making this rod in a 2 piece?
I’m not looking to sell it. I plan on using it till the day they put me in the ground.
And it’s going with me. LOL
Hi Donald…I’m guessing the SLT two piece was discontinued around 2008. thanks!…RB
I have a Sage GFL 896-4 RPL, I am in New Zealand and use this on the Tongariro river, casting two flies and a strike indicator. I was wondering what your recommendation for a floating line would be.
Thanks Brent
Hi Brent…I like the Rio Gold and Cortland 444SL floating lines. I hear you guys down there use gray magic markers to dull the line colors! Good luck and thanks! RB
I came into possession two Sage Fly Rods, both 13 wt. fly both 3 Piece in immaculate condition. An RPLX and an RPLXi. Any suggestions of value?
Hi John…these are heavy saltwater rods…tarpon, sailfish, marlin…maybe shark, amberjack, tuna, etc…they sold for around $1000 new so I’m thinking $400-$600 on the resale market. thanks!…RB
i have an sage490 sp 1v,what years where these rods manufactured? what would the value be? thanks
Hi Travis…the SP 490 Graphite IV rods were first mfg. in early 1990s. The SPs became one of the most popular rods Sage ever made. The SP stands for “Smooth Performance.” These rods came in 2 or 3 piece models early on and were considered “medium-fast” action. Later, Sage made the SP+ model which was a slightly “faster” action. If you have a 2 piece in decent condition it is worth $150-$200, more if it’s a 3 piece. thanks!…RB
Hello
I recently inherited a Sage rod from my father. It is marked:
Graphite III GFL 590-4 RPLB
I have no idea what the weight is, could you perhaps help?
Not that I would ever sell it, but any idea on its worth?
Much appreciated.
Hi Edward…your rod is a Sage 9 foot for a number 5 fly line(5 weight). It is a Sage blank wrapped privately outside of the factory and is worth around $150 in decent condition. Thanks!…RB
Hi Randy,
I am considering a 9′, 9wt Sage Graphite III GFL 990 RP XB. I presume the B indicates it was privately wrapped based on the thread of your comments above.
About what year was is made?
Is it likely fast or moderately fast?
Can you provide any insight on the GFL and the X designations?
Any thoughts on what improvements have superceded these RP and GFL models?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge w/ everyone!!
Hi Rick…best guess on year of mfg. 1983-84…I would call the action “medium fast”, which is really what you want in a 9 wt. rod (IMO). And yes, the “B” stands for “blank” … not sure what the “X” designation means with this rod. GFL stands for “graphite fly rod” according to info in the fly fishing forum link below. Sage has made many, many improvements in their fly rods over the last 40 years since this rod was introduced. Thanks!…RB
Hello all…Here is link to more detailed info on Sage rod history…excellent! https://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/index.php?threads/sage-rod-chart-old-to-new.235461/
Addendum: I omitted and “L”. The rod should be: Graphite III GFL 990 RPLXB.
Yes… RPLX moves it up to around 1986 vintage…thanks.
Hi Randy- I have a new to me #4 9ft ZXL, wondering what modern line would be a good pairing? this rod is for spring creeks/lakes where presentation is impt, so I lean double taper but those are hard to find these days.
Thanks!
Todd
Hi Todd…Orvis offers the Hydros line in Double Tapers…very good lines. If not, try SA Infinity, RIO Gold or Cortland 444 SL. You are wise to use DT on spring creeks and dry fly still water apps. Thanks!…RB
hola , quiero comprar un Sage 389 LL, que me pueden contar de esta vara y de su precio
Hola Miguel! My Spanish is muy malo but older Sage LL rods in good condition are worth mucho dinero! Muchas gracias!…RB
Hi Randy,
Kudos for information listed!
I’ve just bought another new Sage rod,
a DS 1090 Graphite II
#10 line 9’0
2 piece
Your info for Discovery Series, states made in ‘85-‘86…. so I’m looking for any other info that you could give. The first two guides are large and have black inserts, and casting a 10’ rig (3) of weighted streamers was ridiculously easy. Are the guide inserts phenolic or could they be ceramic?
Was this rod built for salt water?
How large a catch weight was this rod built to regularly handle?
The butt is smaller than a 7wt Z -axis, I thought it would be larger….
Looking forward to your reply.
Thanks, Skip
Hi Skip…the 1090s were made mainly for saltwater fly fishing…medium size tarpon, permit, giant trevally, smaller tuna…fish in the 20-60 lb. weight class…also usable for some heavier freshwater fish such as golden dorado, king salmon, large steelhead, etc. The 1090 is especially effective in windy conditions. The Graphite II 1090s were a slower, medium action rod, replaced by Graphite lll which were faster action rods. Not sure about the guide inserts. Thanks!…RB
Thanks so much Randy!
I inherited a Sage GFL 590-4 DS (Graphite, 5 wt, 9’0”, 4pc, Discovery Series …. New Condition (never used) w/ two tips, one marked “A” & one marked “D”. Does anyone know what these designations mean?
Hi Brian…I never heard of Sage offering two tips with their Discovery rods. Maybe readers can help? Thanks!…RB
Lot #67
Quantity1
Estimate200.00 – 300.00 CAD
Description
Model DSZ 590-4, 35/16 oz #5 line with hard case and box of flies.
Fair Price?
Hi Gregory…I assume you mean DS2. A Sage Discovery 2 590-4 rod in decent shape is worth $150-$200. Not sure about the flies. thanks!…RB
Hi Randy, I have a two piece Sage rod. It literally has no other identifying information printed on it. The former owner wrote “J1139” on the side in sharpie. Any suggestions on how to further identify the rod?
Thanks in advance!
Marie
Hi Marie…that’s a tough one. It is probably a Sage blank that someone wrapped privately. Have someone flex or cast it that knows fly rods…they could probably tell what line weight fits the rod. Also, measure the length…9 ft?…8 1/2 ft? Also the color of the blank could give you a rough guess how old the rod is. Dark brown finish is 1980s, 1990s…greenish or gold finish 2000s. Good luck! Randy B.
Hey Randy, what would you say a Sage Graphite III GFL 390 RPLB would be worth today?
Kind regards Alex
Hi Alex…The “B” means it is a blank…privately wrapped, not factory finished. Depending on condition and components, it’s worth around $150. Thanks!…RB
I recently purchased a Sage DS2 490 Graphite II 9′ 4 wt. rod with fabric covered hard case. Just started fly fishing about two weeks ago.. Bait caster for years. Is this a good beginner rod? What action is this considered? Got an amazing package deal with an LL Bean Double LL Classic 8.5 6 wt. No other markings on that rod. but figure early 80’s for both. Came with vest, early made in England SA 456, extra spool, flies, tools, dressing, net and a complete fly tying kit. Had to join the local anglers club to figure out what to do.
Thanks for any information.
Hi Frederick. Both of your rod purchases are fine choices. The Sage DS2 “Discovery” rods use the same blanks as their pricier models except with less expensive reel seats, guides, rod finish etc. There’s a good chance your LL Bean rod is a Gary Loomis blank…one of the best around! SA 456…classic! Enjoy our great sport. Thanks!…RB
Hi Randy
I have a VPS 696 Graphite III B can you tell me what year this is from and how much its worth please
Hi Edward…the VPS rods were mfg. 1997, 1998 I believe, and lasted about 10 years. It appears you have a privately wrapped blank there…not sure of value. Thanks!…RB
I have a 2 piece Sage SP 586 Graphite IV B that I made years ago. I need to sell it. Any idea of what I might ask?
Hi Chris…without knowing reel seat, guides, grip, etc…guessing around $150. Thanks!…RB
Hello Randy. I have a Sage 490-2 LL Graphite III. I had a lot of fun with it, but I’m not using it any longer and I’m considering selling it. Do you have any advice re. price and where would be a good place to look for a buyer. I had someone several years ago who was very keen to buy it, but I wasn’t ready to let it go. I think it’s a pretty desirable dry fly rod. Perhaps you have some opinions and advice.
Hi Janice…it’s worth around $500, maybe more depending on condition. These sweet casting rods are highly desirable, especially the 490s. I would put it up on Ebay with a Buy It Now price of $600 and see what happens. Good luck! RB
Thank you for the advice, Randy! I think I’ll give it a try.
Hi Randy,
I caught my first bonefish on a Sage RPLXi and was wondering how these rods would compare to more modern rods? I would like to track one down to have as I need an 8 wt, but I don’t want to buy something just on nostalgia if the newer rods are light years ahead.
Hi Miles…I am not up on the latest in bonefish fly rod technology…but the Sage 890 RPLXi is about as good as it gets!…thanks…RB
Hello I recently picked up a top that is labeled custom sage 509-4 zx no b for blank and no serial number. Any ideas?
Sorry forgot to mention it is generation v
Sorry Mark…can’t help. Thanks tho…RB
Hi, Randy. Great info! I have 2 Sage SP 5s, both 5 pc 5wt with extra tips, tubes and socks. Excellent but carefully used condition. Any idea what they are worth
Hi Roger…the Sage SP five piece rods are hard to find and worth good money. Both of your rods are worth north of $650 in the condition you describe. Thanks!…RB
UPDATE: A Sage SP389-5 in like new condition with extra tip just sold on Ebay for $810.
Great info on Sage rods, thanks. I agree with your comment that the Z-Axis were considered the best casting Sage rods. I regret passing along my 8’6″ 5 wt. 4 piece Z.
I have 3 Sage rods in flawless condition, two which I would like to sell and would appreciate your appraisal. 1. RPLxi 1190-3NF,
2. SPL 282-3
3. 590-3 SP. I will fish this rod but still curious to value.
All of these rods include original socks, clean tubes and as mentioned flawless.
Thanks again!
Hi David…RPLXi 1190-3, $150. SPL 282-3, $350. SP 590-3, $300. Thanks!…RB
I have a GFL 389LL Graphite II. Very lightly used with sock and uminum tube. What years were these produced and what is it worth today. It is a sweet casting fly rod!
Hi Butch…your rod was produced from 1982-1985 in 2wt – 5wt configurations. These early GFL LL rods are rare and highly desirable. In the condition you describe it is worth from $500 and up. If you put it up for auction and had two or three hot buyers bidding on it, the price could go way up! It was replaced in 1985 by the GIII LL rods which were made until around 1997. Thanks!…RB
Hi Randy,
I have an older Sage rod that I purchased used in unused condition in the late 80’s, no sock or tube. The only markings on the rod are, sage GRAPHITE #5 -6LINE 8’0”. I fished the rod a few times back then and haven’t used it since, it’s in very good condition for it’s age.
I’ve reviewed the fantastic Sage history that you have posted and don’t see it listed or identified in the timeline as to it’s value or date of manufacture. I was hoping that you can provide me with more information about the rod or it’s current value.
Thanks
James
Hi James…the Sage Graphite 5 rods first hit the market around 2002 and continued for several years in various configurations. Since your rod shows scant markings, my guess is this is a privately wrapped Sage blank, not factory finished. Eight foot for #6 line is kind of an oddball rod…probably worth around $100. Thanks!…RB
Thanks so much for the information. I thought the rod was a Graphite 8’0” 5-6 line weight. Never crossed my mind to be a #5 Sage Graphite 6 line weight.
Send me a pic of the inscription…I could tell you for sure…Thanks…RB
UPDATE: After viewing a pic James sent me of the inscription on the rod, I believe he has one of the earliest graphite fly rods ever produced by Sage…probably issued in 1980, Sage’s first year in business. The inscription reads: GRAPHITE #5-6 Line, 8’0″. The blank is raw finish. Never seen one of these! Readers? click on link for photo: https://imgur.com/a/hXEvTPQ
Hi Randy
I have an opportunity to purchase a 690-2 GIII LL rod. The rod photos look great, but no sock and no Sage tube. What is your estimate regarding the rod’s value?
BTW, I really appreciate the service you provide on this web page! It is invaluable, especially for those of us who got in the fly fishing game a little late. Thank you!
Hi Charley…the 690 G3 LL rods were made between 1985 and 1997. They are not as rare as the earlier LLs but still very desirable. My best guess as to value is $300-$400. Thanks!…RB
Thank you Randy – much appreciated!
I don’t see the DS2 model.
Hi Mike…I lumped the DS and DS2 rods together. The DS series was produced from 1986 to 1998 and became very popular medium action rods at a reduced price. The DS2 rods were a slightly faster action than DS. Near as I can tell, Sage stopped offering the DS2 rods around 1998. Thanks!…RB
Hello, question is, I just broke the tip off about 1” back on my
sage 8’ 9” gfl 398-3ll graphite111. Any idea of how much it was worth and if I send it back to Sage will they repair it or replace the entire piece.
Thanks in advance
Hi Peter…rod is not worth much with a broken tip. Sage can’t replace it…the rod is too old. One inch isn’t much…just put the tip-top back on and fish it! thanks…RB
A side note: I am a fishing guide who has used Sage rods for trout In Montana/Idaho/Yellowstone Park waters…as well as extensive use in saltwater during my 30 years fishing/guiding in the Florida Keys for tarpon, bonefish and permit. I have used Sage rods for my personal fishing as well as watching angler/clients use them since Sage went into business around 1980. I have bought, sold and traded many Sage rods through the years, so I have some idea of value. I am not a fly rod expert but I know a fine fly rod when I cast it. This Sage history is mostly from memory or gained from other fly fishing discussion boards, websites and Ebay auctions. Its not a perfect history…but I hope it provides readers with a broad perspective of the Sage Rod Co. through 2011. Thanks!…RB
Randy,
I see you guided in The Keys, a wonderful experience. Ever run across a guide named
Mark Krowka? Fished with Mark 2010 through 2017. Great guy, found almost every guide I have fished with great folks.
Hi There, I have a SAGE Model GFL 490-LL 9′ 2 piece, Graphite II, Cloth Cover & Tube. All Original. I purchased this New. I started a Custom Fishing Rod business in early 90’s & have somehow collected more than 20 Fly Rods. So, I’m thinking it sensible to begin Selling All the Pre Made Models I’ve purchased. A friend has been trying to get me to sell it to him for $450.00, but today I thought I should Find Out the Real Value of the Rod. I Don’t want to cheat anyone & I’m sure I’ll sell it $100.00 cheap so Buyer is happy, I’m happy & I only hope the buyer will feel All the wondrous times & fish this Incredible Rod handled superbly. Could anyone tell me what I think is a 1982 mode.
Thank You so much, Jeffery
Hi Jeffery…The Sage GII 490 LL rods were mfg. between 1982 and 1985, and offered in 2wt to 5wt configurations. The 490 is highly desirable. Depending on condition, I would place the value at $500 minimum. If it were my rod. I would probably ask $600 for it. Thanks!…RB
Is a Sage SLT 586-4 8’6” 5wt. 4-piece Fly Rod (Graphite IIIe) a sought after rod for trout fishing smaller streams ? I don’t find much information on the SLT’s so I’m hoping you can assist me regarding performance and popularity of Sage users?
Hi Gary…,The SLT rods are more “modern”…I really only track rods mfg. from 1980 – 2011, so I don’t have much info. I do see a lot of them listed on Ebay. Hope this helps. Thanks…RB.
The SLT (Smooth Light) in the lighter line weights (5wt. and smaller) are excellent trout rods. They have a soft tip to protect light tippets and are one of the smoothest casting rods in the Medium/Fast Action classification. The two best rods in the series (IMO) are the 8’9″ 3wt and 4wt.
I have a new Sage GFL 590-4 LL. With sock and tube. Never used, never had a reel mounted. It says Line 5, length 9’0”. Any idea of its value?
The Sage GFL 590-4 LL also says Graphite III on the tube cap
Hi Jim…The Graphite III LL rods were offered from 1985 to 1997, making your rod anywhere from 24 to 36 years old. Having one in new condition is rare. If you were to put it up in open auction, I would guess multiple bidders would be hot for it. Final sale price could top $750. Thanks…RB
Hello Randy,
Is a Sage 4711LL Graphite III a good rod? I’m looking at one in almost perfect condition but I can’t find any information at all on this specific model regarding reviews, etc. What would the market value be estimated at? Thank you!!
HI Gary…Not sure about that one…maybe readers can help? thanks…RB
Hey, I have a sage graphite ll RPL 8wt. How much could it be sold for?
Hi Jerin…Depending on condition, your rod is worth $100-$150. Thanks….RB
Trying to find out some information on a Sage Graphite II B590GFLRP rod that I just acquired with some Bamboo Fly Rods. The Rod had that Glen E Felgren was the Rod Crafter and that the Rod was custom made for J Keith Lungren. It looks unused. If possible year of manufacture and approximate value. My guess by the number is that it is a 9 foot 5WT. Any information is appreciated
Hi James…The Sage Graphite II GFL RP rods were offered from 1983-1985. They were replaced in 1985 by the Graphite III RPL technology. Since your rod is a privately wrapped blank with an individual’s name inscribed, the value is less than the same rod if factory produced with stock inscriptions. However…if Glen E. Felgren or J. Keith Lungren are notable names in fly fishing history you may have something! You might want to Google their names, but I have never heard of them. I am guessing the rod is worth around $100-$150 in the condition you describe. Thanks…RB
Thank you for the information. I bought it at a estate auction, looks like it was built for the family that was having the auctions father.
I just procured a custom built = Sage RP490-2 LL Graphite II rod. The rod is well built and is in immaculate shape. I don’t think that it was fished much by the original owner. The rod was built by a reputed rod builder (Corens Rod and Reel in Chicago) that I know, so I have provenance for the rod. I plan on using the rod, but I am interested to know what the approximate value of the rod might be.
Hi Alan…Factory LL GII rods were mfg. 1983-1985 and are rare and highly sought after. Not sure about blanks…sometimes blanks were offered after factory rods were discontinued. Guessing value at around $400. Can you email me a pic of the inscription? rbdowntown@3rivers.net. Thanks…RB
Alan sent a pic of the inscription on this privately wrapped custom rod. It is a Graphite III blank, not Graphite II. You can see the rod builder hand painted the inscription on the blank to closely replicate the factory Sage printing…and he did a good job! These Graphite III 490RP LL rods are not as rare as the Graphite II rods, but still highly desireable. I put the value at around $300. Thanks Alan!…RB https://imgur.com/VrXMPXu
Randy, thanks for the update.
After owning, test casting, and pond fishing with the rod for a few days, I can see why the Sage LL rods are so desirable. This rod has a smoothness and feel that is very different in a good way than newer, high end rods. I need to get in one more trip back to a trout stream before the ends so I can fish with the rod on a trout stream.
Hi Randy, I have a Sage 8 foot #5-6 2 piece rod I bought in the mid 80s. The guide that would be the stripping guide is two loops on either side of the rod. It almost looks like you would thread it in one side or the other depending on whether you were left or right handed… The guy I brought it to a guy at the shop also said he had never seen it and I’m having a really hard time finding anything about it online. Do you have any idea? It is the guide above the book keeper it is attached in the middle and then has a metal loop on either side…
Hi Katie…email me a pic…rbdowntown@3rivers.net…Thanks…RB
Hi Katie…what you have there is a missing center ceramic insert for the strip guide. Those centers are spot soldered into the guide feet and sometimes break. Yours is missing. I have attached pic of an older Sage rod with complete strip guide intact so you can see how it should look You can order new guides online but make sure you have the correct size. Then remove old guide an re-wrap the new one in place….your local fly shop can help you with this. Thanks…RB
Hi Randy,
I was given a Sage 8100-3GFL 10’, #8 line, 4 3/4 oz
Serial #D3806.
I am an active fly fisher and am curious if this rod is worth hanging on to for that retirement Steelhead trip that I haven’t taken yet.
It is gently used in excellent condition.
Also, what is it’s value?
Thank You,
Mick
Hi Mick…Not familiar with the Sage 8100 series rods. But 10 foot 8 wt. sounds perfect for steelhead. Thanks…RB
FYI- In August a new Sage SP 590 2 piece with original sleeve and case sold on e bay for $400.
Hi Steve…thanks for the info!…RB
Hi Randy
Do you have any info on the Response? I am considering a mostly new Response 690-4 for $200 with travel tube. Thoughts and thanks! Great resource you have assembled!
Hi Douglas…the Sage Response rods were first offered in 2013. They replaced the “Flight” series which replaced the “Fli” series which replaced the “Launch” series as the Sage “entry level” rods. They sold new for $395 from 3wt to 10wt configurations. $200 is a fair price for the rod and tube as you describe it. Thanks!…RB
Great info here. I have an original LL in a 5 weight, 8’6” 2 piece in good condition. Any idea what this might sell for? No tube or sock. Thank you!
Hi John…If your rod is a Graphite ll LL it is worth around $400-$500. If it is the Graphite III, it’s worth a little less in the condition you describe. Thanks…RB
Thanks Randy, one other question – thoughts on price for a RPLXi l 996-3 graphite iii in near new condition? Thanks!
Sorry, edit to the above post the rod is an RPLXi 996-3 graphite iii. The “l” between the Xi and 996-3 is a typo. Thanks!
Hi Douglas…The Sage RPLXi series of rods (dark blue finish)were offered from 1997-2003, making your rod 18 years old or older. My personal experience with the RPLXi rods in the heavier weights from 9wt. to 12 wt., comes from fishing them in saltwater primarily in the Florida Keys. They were, and are, great saltwater rods. Your 996-3 I am guessing was made for mostly freshwater nymph/streamer/lake applications. I would put the value on the secondary market at around $250 in the condition you describe. Thanks…RB
Awesome, thanks a bunch Randy! Really appreciate the info.
I just picked up a Sage Graphite III 380 LL , but has NIPPON under the above wording. I’ve heard they were made for the Japan market, but know nothing else. Where were they made, when were they made, use the same components etc.? Any info will be greatly appreciated.
Hi Steve..Sage ships fly rods all over the world from their operation in Bainbridge Island, Wa., USA. Your rod was probably part of a shipment sold to a Sage distributor in Japan. Other than marked “Nippon,” I doubt it is any different than the standard rods. The Sage GIII LL rods were made between 1985-1997. The Sage facility in Washington state was founded and started by Don Green in 1980 and remains in the same spot to this day. Thanks…RB
For my readers:…I found this blurb put out by Sage a few years ago…a good summary of their story. Thanks…RB
Founded in 1980 by legendary rod designer Don Green, Sage was created with one idea in mind – to build the world’s finest performance fly rods. Using world-class materials and years of experience gained while working with Fenwick and Grizzly rod companies, Don revolutionized the fly fishing world.
When Sage started business on Bainbridge Island it was first known as Winslow Rod Company, and although the name quickly changed to Sage, the location on Bainbridge Island is still the same even today. Originally it had six employees and about 1,500 square feet of manufacturing space. Today it has grown to 175 employees working in a 30,000 square foot space. The following story sheds light on Sage throughout the past 21 years.
Two important threads run through the Sage story: The first is the importance of fly rod design, the second is the importance of controlled distribution.
As for fly rod design, years of fly fishing experience had taught Don that fly rods should never run out of “power.” While there might be fishing scenarios where the full power and flex of a fly rod were not utilized by the angler, the best designs were those that always held power in reserve. Hence the name Reserve Power was given to the new style of fly rod Don developed for extra long casts or for windy conditions. The name was abbreviated to the RP. This was the first major series of fly rods that Sage released in 1982 and they quickly became the most talked about fly rods in the world.
The design of Sage was set. Next came the distribution. When Sage began, Bruce Kirschner (formerly of K2 Skis) joined Don as a partner in the company, bringing with him years of specialty retailing experience. Together they set out to create a dealer network of specialty stores where anglers could always receive solid, professional help, advice and assistance. The philosophy was simple: specialty products for specialty retailers.
From the early 80s on, Sage began its two-pronged development of its core fly rod business. From the initial success of the RP and the Graphite II generation, Don quickly moved to the next generation with Graphite III RPL fly rods.
By1985 the RPLs were the high performance standard of fly anglers everywhere. Recognizing that some anglers preferred the more moderate action of traditional fly rods, Don designed the LL Series of fly rods in 2-5-weight rods for the light line angler.
In 1986 Sage brought to the marketplace the first series of fly rods built specifically for the special challenges of the saltwater angler-the legendary RPLX fly rods. Built for line weights 8-12, these rods almost instantly became the standard of modern saltwater angling experience. Finally, working with some of the finest two-handed fly casters in the world, Sage introduced a complete line of spey and European-style double handed rods, a series that rounded out
Sage’s family of fly rods. Now, anglers around the world could find a performance fly rod for whatever their needs might be.
Throughout the 80s, Sage’s business grew steadily as specialty dealers everywhere started paying heed to these performance enhancements. The brand was continually sold throughout the world with distribution in Japan, Canada, France, England, Italy, Germany and Scandinavia. Everywhere the pattern was duplicated-specialty products for specialty dealers, and by the end of the decade, Sage had secured its position as the number one fly rod company in
the world.
During the early 90s, Sage continued its steady growth with the RPL, RPLX, LL, TH and DS Series. The US dealer network had grown to about 450 dealers and Sage was also being sold in about 30 export countries.
Today Sage continues to seek performance advantages through new materials and designs, marketing its products through a network of specialty dealers. From our earliest days as a small rod blank manufacturer to the comparatively large 175 employee company that we are today, Sage has continued to seek performance advantages through new materials and designs. Today, more than ever before, Sage remains focused on one goal, which is best
summarized by its statement of purpose: We are passionate about our business of creating fly fishing products that continually exceed the fly angler’s expectations. Wherever in the world your fly fishing takes you, it is safe to say that Sage has the products to enhance your fly fishing experience
Thanks for the great info! I have a Sage Graphite III Model 279: a two-piece, two-weight, 7′ 9″ rod. Do you know the approximate value? Also, are there any current two-weight rods that would be better for grayling and light trout action?
Hi Jim…RPL or LL? If RPL it’s worth around $200. $300 and up if it’s an LL. Value highly dependent on condition. Orvis was first to come out with the two-weight fly rod in the early 1980s followed by their one-weight…outstanding rods. They scooped the field with these light rods and they were wildly popular. Competitors followed suit. I am not up to speed on current two-weights. Thanks…RB
It’s an LL in excellent condition, only fished a few times.
I would like to purchase Sage SPL Center Axis (SPLCA) rods/reels in any weight. I currently have a 2wt that I adore.
I have a center axis 3wt rod only ,can’t find matching reel.Very sweet small creek rod. Very rare,very good condition.Make offer.
Hi, great to read of the history of SAGE fly rods. As a maker of bamboo rods, I have a light fly rod which I would like to sell- although would prefer to steer clear of eBay. I am enquiring to its possible value.
The rod is marked: SAGE Graphite GFL 379 LLB -7’9″ 3wt. built on a blank by myself some years ago although only used a handful of times. I recently re- wrapped the rod in black tipped brown thread, no ferrule scratches, the rest of the blank original without scuffs or marks. Stripper guide lined Hopkins & Holloway, as used by SAGE during the 90’s, chrome snakes throughout. Cigar shaped cork grip complete with Struble sliding ring reel fitting (Black) with teak wood spacer. I would describe the rods condition as ‘excellent’.
Any insights much appreciated.
Thank You, Malcolm
Hi Malcom…GII or GIII? The 379LL blank is rare either way. Re-wrapped in the condition you describe, I would put the value at $250 give or take. Thanks…RB
Thank you very much Randy, I omitted that it is marked GIII.
Malcolm
Hi Randy,
First time on your site. Just been given a Sage GFL 890-3SP.
The rod says: Graphic IV (Roman numeral 4). Original owner and used very little.
I understand the GFL 890 3SP. But not the number 4?
When built, what action, what fish and approximate value?
Thanks in advance from a first time Sage owner.
Hi Michael…The number IV (4) refers to the fourth generation of graphite technology offered by Sage. They continually experimented with lighter, stronger, faster, etc. versions of graphite in building their rods. The SP stands for “Smooth Performance.” These rods were first offered in the early 1990s. The action would be considered Medium/Fast. Sage followed with the SP+ series which were faster rods. The 890-3 was (and still is) a great Alaska rod for rainbows and silvers and works for steelhead. You could also use it for lighter saltwater species such as baby tarpon, jacks, Spanish mackerel, snook and bonefish. Your 3-piece rod is worth around $300 in the condition you describe. Thanks…RB
Hi Randy,
Thanks so much. See now that the serial # is : P16538 so have asked Sage for the mfg date. Also bought an older Abel # 2 /w extra spool via Abel’s fine direction. It’s on its way to them for a complete going over.
Been invited to northern Quebec for salmon fishing so this will be my kit.
Thanks again.
Michael
Hi Randy, I have the opportunity to buy a rod blank from my neighbor. He’s a good friend and I want to offer a fair price. The rod is a early Sage 580 MAB the tube says SAGE 8’ for 5 or 6 lines it has a clear coating over bare graphite finish.
Hi Ken….Can you email me a pic of inscription? rbdowntown@3rivers.net Thanks….RB
Hi Randy,
Thank you so much for all the great info! I was hoping you could help me determine the value and specs on a couple rods I inherited. Both are 2 piece spinning rods in 9 out of 10 condition cosmetically and blanks, eyes, cork, etc. in really good shape. The only information on the blank is the brand and model and neither have and line or lure weight specs. The first is a GIISH186B and the second is a GIISH2106LLB. Thanks again for your help!
just as a “what if” – I happen to have the original Sage LL rods in 3, 4, 5, and 6 weights and the RP series in 390RP, 490-4RP, 690RP and 896RP. I got these in the 80’s,( as I was involved in the business then) and these are marked “DEMO” on the butt of the rod, above the cork. Is there any real value to these as you just don’t see them around any more?
Hi Mike…There is definite value…especially the LLs. It all depends on condition. A lot of the DEMO rods were fished a lot. Thanks…RB
These rods were never on the water and only cast on grass. So condition is very good to excellent. Can you do a best guess on. Slur range as I am going to be thinning out my rod collection and I rarely use these.
Hi Mike…390RP: $150, 490-4RP: $200… 690RP, 896RP: $100 ea. The LLs are worth $300-$500 ea. Thanks…RB
Thanks Randy – you get to a point in your life where there is too much “stuff” and you keep going to your favorite rod, time after time and the rest collect dust.. Appreciate your quick response
I was looking for information on a Sage 490 RP Demo 2 piece. These were the first line of Sage rods made in the early 1980s. It is clearly marked Demo on the blank and my understanding was it was given out to fishing guides and fly shop owners as a way to promote the new Sage brand. It is in very good condition considering it is 40+ years old. Is there any extra value in Demo models especially since this was the original line of Sage rods and one of the first ones ever made by Sage? What is the rarity of this rod? We’re quite a few given out and survive currently?
Hi Tony…Just answered this. Check comments from Mike Waller posted above. I wouldn’t say the DEMO inscription makes the rod any more or less valuable. Quite a few DEMO rods were sent out to Sage dealers and guides in the 1980s and 1990s to promote the brand when Sage was getting started. Not many survived. Your 490RP two-piece is worth around $150. Thanks…RB
Actually Randy, these “Demo” rods were not given to guides and shops – we paid for them at a discounted rate, less than wholesale pricing. So long ago (mid 80”s) I cant recall exact amount, but it was a worthwhile discount.
Hello,
I’ living in Holland. A Sage ZXL 490-4 popped up for Sale.can anyone indicate what it would be worth? Are they still Made ?
I am a Newbie in flyfishing.
Greetz
Alex
Hi Alex…depending on condition, it’s worth $300-350 US. Thanks…RB
email rec’d from Bob:
Randy
I was looking for information on a used Sage rod I purchased a couple of years ago and was delighted to discover your site. What a great service to fishers! My rod is an SP590 Graphite IV 3 1/4 oz 2 piece 5 wt. I would like to know approximately when it was made and what your opinion is of its merits. I am a relatively new fisher so any advice you can offer would be most appreciated.
Thank you,
Bob
Hi Bob…The Sage SP rods were immensely popular and became one of Sage’s all-time best sellers. They were offered from 1993-1997 (approx) and were medium/fast action rods. They came in 2 pc., 3 pc., and 5pc. configurations. Your SP590 is one of the nicest casting and most versatile rods Sage ever made so hang on to it! Thanks…RB
A few more comments on the Sage SP rod. It was followed by the SP+, then SPL, XP, then SLT over a span of years 1993-2003. I don’t have sales numbers, but I am guessing the original SPs are one of Sage’s all-time best sellers. If a person would have to choose only one fly rod, for my money it would be the Sage SP-590. Thanks…RB
Hi Randy. I just stumbled across your site. Very Cool. I,ve got too many fly rods …good and bad. I’ve been fishing a Sage X 9′ , 5 weight for a few years now. I got it being a life time member of TU which is labeled on the rod. It,s outstanding. BUT! I keep grabbing my old reliable Sage 586DS 8″6″ 5-6 wt off the rack going out the door to my favorite stream. I love this old rod and with 15 rods in my rack I have to say this beats everyone. It’s the way it feels, The rod just is an absolute pleasure to cast a medium acurate action rod from Sage. Warren
Randy,
I’ve got a couple of nice Sage LL’s from the 90’s. I’m looking for your recommendations for best lines for them:
Sage Graphite III 389 LL. (8’9” rod, 3wt.)
Sage Graphite III GFL 490-4 LL (4 wt, 9 ft rod)
Line recommendations?
Hi Mel…First the 389LL. This is a dry fly rod. These rods were made for fine work and delicate presentations so using anything other than a double taper (DT3F) fly line is self-defeating. I still fish a Winston IM6 3 wt. that Tom Morgan made up for me. Tom always told me if he caught me using a weight forward line on it he would take it back! My choice for double tapers would be Cortland 444 Peach or Orvis Hydros. The GFL 490LL takes a little (not much) more line to load so I would go with a weight forward (WF4F) line. SA Amplitude Smooth, RIO Mainstream in lemon green or Cortland 444SL are all good choices. Thanks…RB
Hey Randy! I have a Sage graphite II 490 DS #4 line 9’0″ 3 5/16 OZ rod! I’m pretty new to fly fishing and I’m wondering if you could give me more info in this rod!? I have no idea what I got!
Hi Ethan…The Sage DS rods were offered in the late 1980s…DS stands for “Discovery Series.”
These rods featured less expensive reel seats, guides and finish so they could be moderately priced. The blanks were the same as the top-of-the-line rods. Graphite II rods were medium action, full flex…more of a “traditional” feel. They are fine rods that can be used for all types of trout fishing though I would say your 490 is more of a dry fly/light nymphing type of rod. It should serve you well. Assuming yours is a two-piece rod in decent condition, I would place the value at around $150-$200. Thanks…RB
A word about fly lines. Line mfgs. have gone bonkers coming out with so many different “styles” and “designs,” it takes a Phd. to decipher what’s what. I’ve learned there is only one way to decide which fly line is best for the rod you are setting up: cast it, fish it. Buying lines on the internet or even at your local fly shop without pre-testing is a crap shoot. For example, Cortland has come out with a group of new lines they call the “Cortland Trout Series…complex taper designs,” including the Trout Boss, Trout Boss Double Taper, Ultralight, Long Belly Distance and Finesse Trout. Jeez!
I’m sure all these lines are excellent but who knows unless you string them up and cast them with YOUR ROD, not a fly shop demo. All the other fly line mfgs. have done the same, bombarding the consumer with multiple choices. It’s marketing 101. And remember, casting a line on the lawn or the fly shop parking lot is not the same as real fishing…no wind, no swirling currents, no frozen snake guides. Some of these lines cast great during summertime but stiffen up during cold weather. I have even seen fly shops that demo cast a fly line without a leader or fly attached. Not good! I have fishing clients that own 50 or more fly rods. But do they have the correct line on each one? It’s an issue. You will be surprised how good a caster you can be when your fly line properly matches your fly rod. Thanks…RB
Hi Randy, I have a Graphite ll 480 RP, 8’0″ #4 line, 2 1/2 ounce rod that is literally like new. I was wondering what it was worth to sell. It has an Orvis Battenkill 3/4 made in England. It has the cloth sock and tube also.
Hi Jack…Wow that’s a rare one. Haven’t seen too many 480 RPs. It’s an early rod, 1983-1985 vintage. I would say it’s rarity and new condition would be desirable to Sage collectors. Maybe $250 with the reel? Could bring more at auction. Thanks…RB
Thanks Randy. If you were me what auction site would you use?
Hi Jack…You’re pretty much stuck with Ebay. they have a massive audience. Sellers have to establish a track record before they can sell, and Ebay takes a hefty commission, but they have a loyal buyer pool. You might try your local Craig’s list or this place: https://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/index.php
Thanks…RB
Hi Randy, from down under, south Island New Zealand. I’ve loved this post. Am picking up a four-piece Graphite 3 490-4RPL rod with doubled up extra line weight, rod length and 2 7/8 oz inscriptions on it, and wondered what it’s worth in USD and what flyline you would fish it with? You seem to have a pretty good feel for these rods and ‘best matches’ and I appreciate your advice. If ever heading over, let me take you to some double figure browns in South Island Beech forest. 🙂 Cheers, Nathan
Hi Nathan…would place value at around $250 US. Any good WF 4F line would be a match. Thanks!…RB
Hi Randy,
i just received a Sage Graphite 596 RPL #5 9’6 3 1/16oz. How old is the rod? it looks in good condition so will try it out. How well do rods like that age? what is roughly the value? many thanks, Peter
Hi Peter…The RPL rods were offered from 1985-1993. As long as the graphite doesn’t get badly nicked and you don’t slam a car door on it, your rod should last forever. Rod value is in the $150 range. Thanks…RB.
Hello Randy, first of all I want to thank and value your site.
I have bought a Sage SP 589-5 Grafito IV 5wt in 5 pieces and it is in impeccable condition. I would like to know a little about its history and its current value.
I’m not much of a caster and I hope this rod will help me improve my casting.
By the way I plan to use it with a sage 1650 reel, what do you think? What sinking tip line do you suggest using it with?
Hi Martin…As I noted in comments earlier in this thread, the Sage SP rods were offered from 1993-1997 and became one of the best-selling fly rods of all time. I would value your 589-5 in mint condition at around $350…maybe more at auction. Hang on to it! As far as sink tip fly lines go, so many variations are offered today it can get confusing. Depending on what water you fish and the type of fishing you do, I would recommend the RIO Avid Trout or Cortland Ghost Tip lines to start with. I would go into a fly shop and explain your needs so that you don’t buy a line that doesn’t suit you. That Sage fly reel you have is just fine. Thanks…RB.
Thank´s Randy. I’m thinking of trying:
SA Frequency Sink tip III line WF-7-F/S 185 grains
or
SA Sonar Sink25 Cold 200 grains,
for big trout (4 to 8 lb), what do you think? will it be too much?
Hi Randy!
Thanks for your site and the helpful information! I bought a Sage Graphite III GFL 8 weight 9’-0” RPL-4 rod a few years in an online auction. From the information above, this is probably from about 1985 or so. I think I paid around $150 for it. It looks like it’s never been used.
Interesting hand lettering on the rod that says “Beaverbuilt” J.W. Coleburn III The Evening Rise.
Anything further you can tell me about this? I’ve not used it yet, so I don’t have any feeling on how it acts. Any recommendations on set up, lines, reels?
Thanks!
Hi Brooke….Hmmm…seems like a blank that was privately wrapped but no “B” in the inscription? I actually used that very rod in a 2-piece model for bonefish in the Keys for years till I broke it. Great medium action. It would be a perfect rod for Alaska rainbows and silvers. You could use any of the wide arbor reels made by Ross, Lamson, Orvis, etc. Line choice depends on the type of fishing you are doing…stream, stillwater. steelhead, salt, etc. Good luck!…RB
Thanks Randy! I live in Milwaukee and we have annual steelhead runs from Lake Michigan up the Milwaukee River. I’ll likely try it there! I appreciate your response!
Perfect!
Hi Martin…Sounds good. Thanks…RB
Hi all I’m after some information on a sage graphite III GFL 790 RPLB thank you
Hi Josh…Graphite III rods were offered by Sage from 1985-1993, The “B” inscription stands for “blank” which means your rod was privately wrapped, not factory finished. Thanks…RB
I have been blessed with my grandfathers Sage RP896GFL 9’6″ 4 1/4 OZ #8 Line Rod. Can anyone tell me how this rod is used?
Thanks,
“Want to be Fly Fisherman”
Hi Robert…this rod would be perfect for bass fishing with popping bugs, Alaska rainbows, steelheading or even light saltwater work. It is 1983-85 vintage. Thanks…RB
Can one identify the build Year of a SAGE SP 486-3 MarkIV Durascrim model?
Mine has a T63xxx serial number ?
HI Don…The SP rods were first introduced in 1994. Not sure of the exact year of mfg. for your rod, but if you contact Sage and give them the serial # they could probably help. Here is link:
https://farbank.com/pages/contact-us
Thanks…RB
Hello. My father has recently passed and I find myself with 2 Sage Rods. Sage III GFL 690RPL and a Sage II 4711 LLB. Would love to get any info about these length, weight, pricing and any other insights. They are a both 2 piece rods. I am in Australia but still interested in your
Hi Joanne…the 690RPL rod was mfg. between 1985-1993. It’s a 9′ rod for a #6 line. Value $150-$200 US depending on condition. The LLB rod is a privately wrapped rod using a Sage blank…not a factory finished rod. 4711 is an oddball number…I am assuming this rod is 7′ 11″ total length for a #4 line. The LL blanks were offered by Sage staring in 1983 and discontinued sometime after that. They are rare and highly sought after because of their light weight and delicate feel. This rod could be worth $300 or more depending on condition. Thanks…RB.
Hi Randy! I love this site. Thanks for giving of your expertise. It’s so welcomed.
Here’s a question for you. I have a Sage GFL 690 DS, 9 foot, 6 line. It’s a two piece rod, but the tip broke off. Is it worth having Sage fix it or should I buy a new rod? I’m fishing trout in Colorado mainly.
Thanks!
Hi Paul…Sage would maybe sell you a tip for the rod but it wouldn’t match because that rod is over 30 years old…or you could just buy a new rod with comparable action from them. I do see the DS and DS2 rods up for sale on Ebay quite often for around $200 so if you like the feel of your rod I would suggest Ebay. Brand new, top-of-the-line Sage rods go from $650 to $1050. Thanks…RB
Update June, 2022…to my readers: I have noticed lately an uptick of prices of used Sage fly rods on Ebay and elsewhere. Your used Sage rod is probably worth more now than it was a year ago.
I guess folks are not eager to fork over $1000 for a new rod when so many choices are available on the secondary market. Whatever the reason, I will watch the market closely and do my best guess on values. Some of these rods are worth $100-$200 more than previous estimates.
Thanks…RB
Hey Randy, love this site ! Thank you for doing this. Really appreciate this service to fishermen you don’t even know. Speaks volumes about you personally ! Now my question 😄. I’m looking to add another TCX to my arsenal. 9 or 10 weight. What is fair price for these rods in good condition? Thanks again, Rod
Hi William…Looks like $500-$550 would be a fair price for a TCX 9 wt. in good condition. Thanks…RB
I was given a Sage DS2 9 ft 5wt and a LE 590. What do you think of these rods? Thanks so much!
Hi William…the DS2 rods followed the DS rods in the late 1980s. DS stands for “Discovery Series.” They featured less fancy guides, reel seats and finish so Sage could offer them at a reduced price. But the blanks are same, top-of-the-line blanks offered with the premium priced rods. These are great rods…I own and fish with a DS2 490-4 Graphite II rod and love it. Don’t have much experience with the LE rods. Maybe readers can help? Thanks…RB
Randy, I found a like-new Sage rod (SP 890-5, Line 8, 9′ Graphite IV) in my brother’s stuff that I inherited. I was wondering how this rod performs and the general description of the rod as I haven’t had a chance to use it yet.
Hi Paul…The SP rods were Sage’s all-time best sellers…very popular…great casting rods. Your 890 would be a perfect rod for Alaska rainbows and silvers…light saltwater applications…and bass bugging. It would be a great travel rod for bonefishing destinations.The fact that it is a five piece increases the value. I see the light line SPs going for $300-$350 on Ebay. Your rod in the like-new condition you describe is in the $350-$400 range.
Thanks…RB
I was recently gifted 5 rods, including 2 from Sage (Graphite iii GFL 586-4 RPLB and Graphite iii GFL 490 RPL). I fish, but never fly fished. Are these good rods to learn on or better for advanced fly fishers?
Hi Dominic…both rods are fine for beginners and pros alike! Thanks…RB
Hi Randy,
I have a 2007 Sage Z-Axis 691-4. I just broke it while breaking my fall in the water. I’m wondering if it will be worth repairing. Can you provide any guidance on its value?
Love your site. It brings back memories of a few Sage Rods I’ve had over the years.
Hi Rob…send it back to Sage…they may be able to repair or replace since Z-Axis rods were popular and maybe they have some laying around. Thanks…RB
A word on vintage Sage fly rods…food for thought. Buy a rod that is designed for the type of fishing you enjoy. The early GFL and Graphite 2 rods were pretty soft and mushy but they were an improvement over what was out there at the time (1970s Fenwick, Shakespeare). If you enjoy dry fly fishing, don’t buy an older 690 RP or you will be breaking tippets left and right. Likewise, don’t pay top dollar for an older LL rod and throw streamers with it. Some of these older Sage rods were very meaty, thick-walled graphite beasts with power to spare but not designed for 6X (or even 5X). Then came Sage’s notable technical advances… Graphite 3 and Graphite 4 … lighter, stiffer, faster rods designed for longer casts and cutting through wind. This became a great selling point and put Sage on top of the market. But these rods took more line to load and were not made for beginners. Later on, under the design guidance of Jerry Siem, Sage became more diversified and began offering rods that anybody could cast. The XP rods are great examples.
Nowadays, Sage offers a fly rod for any type of fishing you may do. But it wasn’t always that way. Thanks…RB.
Hello. I just picked up a Sage Graphite ll 590-4RPB. What can you tell me about it?
It’s also a 4 piece rod with sock sleeve and aluminium case; in immaculate condition.
Hi Trixie…Sage offered the Graphite II rods from 1983-85. The “B” designation on the model number stands for “blank”…meaning it is a privately wrapped rod, not factory finished. These rods were considered “medium” action and were replaced by the Graphite III rods which were stiffer and faster. Glad to hear your rod is in immaculate condition since it is over 35 years old! I would place a value of $100-$150. Thanks…RB
Hi Randy greetings from Oz.
Have an option on a VT2 596-4 #5 wt.
In great condition – in tube and has lived in neighbors (passed on) garage for 12 years. Neighbors great friends and want to make a fair offer. Beautiful looking rod with a very measured flex.
Looking at it for NZ South Island trout and a little Oz light salt.
How would this go and what would be a fair offer (USD) for what looks a mint condition rod(even cork looks new!)
Thoughts on this model appreciated.
Jack.
Hi Jack…This rod sold for around $475 brand new. It was offered in 2006 as a “mid-line” rod at the time, replacing the VPS rods and before that, the Flight and FLi rods. I have never casted one of these so can’t honestly comment on the action… I’m guessing it would be fine for NZ, but a little light for saltwater. I would offer $300 (USD). Thanks…RB.
Randy, I inherited a Sage graphite II 583 4DS from my father. It says #5lines 8’3” 3 1/4 oz on it. Unfortunately I broke the tip off so I sent it to Sage/Farbank for repair and after 6 months they came back with $195 repair charge. My question is this rod worth getting repaired?
Thank you,
Bill
Hi Bill…You have an early Sage Discovery series rod. That 8’3″ model was kind of unique…don’t see many of them around. It’s a medium action dry fly rod. If you haven’t broken off more than an inch or two of the tip, I would just put a new tip top guide on it and fish with it. Try that and see how it casts. It’s not worth $195 to repair unless Sage is giving you a new rod at that price, which would then be worth it! With a broken tip, the rod is not worth much at resale…maybe $100-$150. Thanks…RB
I helping sell some rods for the widow of a TU Chapter member.
Sage SLT 282-3, 8’2”, 2wt, 3pc
Sage SP 489-5, 8’9”, 4wt, 5pc(2 tips)
Sage SP 690-5, 9’0”, 6wt, 5pc(2 tips)
Any comment on approx. values?
Thank you.
Randy, I see you may have partially answered my question on the Sage SP (July 30).
Hi George…Yes, the SPs are worth $300-$400 depending on condition…maybe more with the extra tips. The SLT 2 wt. is probably worth $500 to the right buyer. Thanks…RB
Hi Randy,
Thanks for putting this together. very informative for a beginner like myself. I have fished for decades, grew up in Miami fishing and now am in the Midwest. Have one full season under my belt fly fishing the Driftless area of Wisconsin. Small Streams, short casts. I have a chance to buy a Safe FLi 4wt 7’6″. The weight and length are what I’m looking for on our small creeks, but wondering if this rod was designed for short casts or for longer casting. Thanks in advance for your opinion! -Jeff
Hi Jeff…During the early years when flyfishing started becoming popular in this country (1920s, 1930s), 7 1/2′ rods were the mainstay. The split cane rod builders from the upstate NY Catskill school handcrafted bamboo fly rods for the (mostly wealthy) anglers of the Northeast, filling special orders, building on consignment and tailoring their fine craftsmanship to the most popular need at the time: small stream flyfishing. 7 1/2′ rods were the rage. As flyfishing spread west, larger water came into play and fly rod lengths gradually increased until 9 feet became the norm. These longer rods were more forgiving and easier to cast than the shorter rods. They were also better in the wind for the average caster. Nowadays, rod manufacturers offer multiple rod lengths for multiple line weights to meet the increased demand for Euro nymphing, Spey, swing and switch fishing and other specialty types of flyfishing.
The Sage FLi 7 1/2′ 4wt is a perfect small stream rod. I would recommend you use a DT line for more delicate presentations. Also, the DT lines last longer because you can reverse them when one end starts showing wear (cracking, etc.). And you will be fishing a rod length that dates back to the historical beginnings of flyfishing in America! Thanks…RB
Hi Randy, please help. I inherited a Graphite iii GFL 379-3 LLB rod w/ sleeve & case. It’s “as new”, no nicks, dings or scratches. Please help me price it. Thank you, Jimmy
Hi Jimmy… Your rod is a privately wrapped Sage blank, not a factory finished rod. That being said, these older Sage LL rods in the lighter line weights are rare and highly desirable. A guy has this exact same blank up for auction on Ebay right now…asking $850 with no bids. Because it is a blank and not a factory rod, the value is lowered a bit. Even so, I’m guessing it’s worth around $500 to the right buyer in the condition you describe. Thanks…RB
SAGE fiberglass. Reader Gene inquired about early Sage glass rods. I was able to dig up this info from a post on another site. Thanks…RB
“When Sage began production in 1978, they made rods from both graphite and S-glass. Don Green, the company founder, designed and produced rods at Lamiglas, Grizzly, and Fenwick. Don knew glass rods. But at Sage, the company focus was graphite. The glass rods were never strongly marketed and were only sold for a few years. The S-glass rods have since become a collectors items. Even the unfinished blanks sell for more than most other factory glass rods.
To quote the 1978 company catalog “The Sage fly rods utilize the high-modulus S-Glass fiberglass which transmits unexcelled power for longer casts with less effort, while approaching graphite sensitivity…. Sage rods are designed to drive a narrower, more controlled loop for greater distance and accuracy combined with a minimal-tailing loop. The Sage action animates rods that are designed to help the beginning caster, enhance the average fisherman’s efforts, and excite the expert.” (quote taken from General Reference 1, page 37)
The blanks are tip over butt, glass ferruled, semi-translucent brown. A distinct spiral pattern can be seen in the glass. The blanks are smooth and clear finished. Factory rods are equipped with chrome snake guides, chrome tiptop, and chrome plated strippers with a black shock ring and brown ceramic insert. The primary wraps are dark brown with lighter brown tipping and an epoxy finish. The downlocking reelseat is a clear finish aluminum with double lock rings, a walnut insert, and a black rubber end cap. The grip is cork shaped to a simple cigar form. The factory rods have a Sage logo and rod information silk screened in white ink just above the rod grip. There is also a very discreet serial number in black ink on the butt section opposite the logo, but there is no serial number on the tip section. The rod bag is medium brown with dark brown edging and stitching. The Sage logo is silk screened onto the bag and the rod model number appears to be stamped on. (rod description, reference A)
Model Number Length/ No. of Sections Line Weight
SFL476 7½ foot, 2 piece 4/5
SFL580 8 foot, 2 piece 5/6 Muscular! It makes distance casting fun (Tom)
SFL686 8½ foot, 2 piece 6/7
SFL789 8′ 9″, 2 piece 7/8
SFL990 9 foot, 2 piece 9
SFL1290 9 foot, 2 piece 12 (possibly only sold as a blank)
SFS679-3 7′ 9″, 3 piece 6/7
All models also sold as unfinished blanks. The model number on the blank is preceded by a “B” (reference A)
Trivia buffs: The company first sold products labeled “Winslow” but changed the name to “Sage” soon after.”
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Very grateful in advance, I would like to know which current rod or one from the last 10 years would be more similar to my dear sage sp 589-5?
Hi martin…My Sage history chart ends around 2011 so I’m not that familiar with the newer Sage rods. Thanks… RB
Hello Randy,
First, thank you for all the great info and history. I was recently gifted a Line 4 GFL 490 RPL 4 Graphite III 2 piece fly rod. Any information and worth on the rod would be much appreciated. In addition, any recommendations on a reel and line for this rod would be great. Plan to use it in the Sierras in California mainly targeting rainbows, browns and brooks on creeks, small rivers and lakes. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
Hi Jed…You rod was mfg. between 1985-1992. It’s worth $200-$250 in decent shape. Two great fly reels under $150 are the Lamson Liquid 456 (Cabela’s, Bass Pro Shops) and the Orvis Battenkill size 2 (3-5wt. line) (Orvis direct). Fly lines: Cortland 444SL, Orvis Hydros, RIO Mainstream, SA Amplitude. Thanks…RB
Hi Randy,
Favorite rod is the XP 9′ 5wt. Only have one and would like to pick another one as well as an 8′ 4wt. Any recommendations on where to find in new like condition. Also, any of the new ones I’ve looked at have not been a match for the XP. Suggestions?
Thanks so much
Mark Herrin
Hi Mark…Try this place: https://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/index.php
You have to join and become a member, but their Classified section is excellent. Thanks…RB.
Thank you for this information. I was wondering when the Sage RPL+ (2 piece) began being sold in fly shops. I want to remember when I bought it. It was my first “high price” rod purchase and also my first 4wt. Now I mostly fish my Sage One (9′ 4wt). I loaned out my two 6 weights and one was lost out of the bed of a truck, the other broken. I’m looking for a new 6wt. Something I can chuck a heavily weight nymph rig or streamers into the wind. I beginning to rebel against the ever increasing cost of fly rods and thinking of buying older used like the fast action G. Loomis NRX+ fresh water, or maybe a Sage Z-Axis or VXP. Or maybe a lower cost New Sage LL or Method. Any ideas?
Hi Clint…The RPL+ rods came out around 1989 and were available until about 1993 when they were replaced by the SP models. A good choice for nymphs and streamers is the Sage XP 590-4 or 690-4 if you can find one. Thanks…RB
I am trying to sell my husband’s rods as he is not able to do so himself. What value should I place on a Sage Graphite III 796 RPLB (3 piece) and what weight is it?
Also, what price for a Sage Launch 890-4, #8 line, 9’0″, 4 1/16 oz. His brother asked me to to save an 8 weight for him. Which of these would he want (I can’t reach him.)
Thanks for your help.
Hi Dianne…The 796RPLB is a 9 1/2 foot rod for an #7 line. It is a privately wrapped blank, not factory finished. Value would be around $150 depending on condition. The Launch 890-4 would be the 8 weight rod his brother requested. It’s worth $200-$250. Thanks…RB
Hi Randy,
I’m hoping you can help me with the Sage Rod I bought in the mid 2000s. It’s a Sage Graphite GSH 4120B 2 piece 12′ rod. I have been fishing with it for tears for salmon in BC. Motor mooching. The rod was ordered with spinning line guides, not fly line guides, and has a BC Butt.
I don’t see this rod listed in your history. Can you tell me if it is a spey rod, and weight?
Thanks a lot, and Tight Lines!
Hakai Mike
Howdy Mike…When searching for your rod, I stumbled upon this chat post from chris@sage at http://www.speypages.com
“That blank was used in a couple of different applications and as a result rated for different line and lure weights. The 4120B has been built into a casting rod, I suspect for float fishing on big B.C. rivers for springs and steelhead. For this “casting” application it has a line rating of 15 – 25 LB, with a lure weight of 3/8 to 1 1/2 oz. The 4120B has also been built in the form of a saltwater rod to be used with a single action reel with the purpose of mooching in mind. The line rating is similar at 15 – 30 LB, but because the angler is not casting in that situation it is rated for a much higher lure weight, 6 – 12 oz ( big bannana sinkers ). Hope this helps. Have a great weekend!”
I do believe it could be used as a spey rod if re-wrapped. Might be worth a try. You would have to experiment to find a fly line that matched.
Thanks…RB
my late father left me his fly rods. any idea of there value? Sage G III 7ft. 5wt. 2pcs & a Sage G 111Macklin Customs 8ft. 5wt. 2pcs with leather tube.
Hi Cory…Can you provide the model numbers? Thanks…RB
Greetings Randy Brown,
Hope this brief note finds you well.
Curious if there is any input or interest in pre 1980 rods from Sage that are stenciled “Winslow”? Purchased this in the late 70’s while living out West.
After 65 years of fly fishing, it’s now time to “thin out”, so I’m figuratively loosing weight.
I would appreciate knowing if there is any value to my “Winslow 9ft. 7wt.” (pre-1980).
Take care Randy. Many thanks.
john
Hi john…I don’t have much info on the Winslow rods other than they are rare and I’m sure would have value to the collector. Thanks…RB
UPDATE: I found this great summary posted by SKWIZ05 on “The Flyfishing Forum” discussion board from April 4 of last year. His info carries all the way through 2022. Since my info runs out of gas at 2011, I wanted to share with my readers. Great summary which includes rod action.
Thanks…RB.
From Name Decription Gen Tech Action
1980-1987 GFL GFL Stood for Graphite Fly Rod. (Not really a model name – but desig used with other model names). N/A N/A
1981-1983 SFL Sage’s First Rod. Hi Modulus Fibreglass. F/G M/F
1982-1993 RP RP Reserve Power for long Casts Graphite II (original IM6) GII Mod
1982
LL LL Traditional Action 2-5 Weight (LL=Light line) Graphite II GII M
1983
MA MA Medium Action Entry level unsanded grey rod with simple hardware M
1985-1997 RPL RPL or Reserve Performance Light (fibreglass scrim) GIII M/F
1985-1999 LL LL Graphite III GIII M
1986-1997 RPLX RPLX Saltwater 8-12 Weight. Stiff rod. GIII F
1986-1998 DS DS Discovery Series – Moderate Action Replaced the RP GII Mod
1993-2001 SP SP Generation IV Graphite with Durascrim GIV M/F
1995-1998 SP+ SP+ Generation IV Graphite with Durascrim. Heaps stiffer than SP, forerunner to TCR. GIV F
1995-2000 RPL+ RPL+ Faster than the RPL. Would be considered moderately fast by todays standards GIII Mod/F
1997-2005 VPS VPS Replacement for the RPL GIII M/F
1997
VPSL VPSL Replacement for the LL Gen III with lesser components GIII M
1997-2001 SPL SPL “Best of show” new rods. Smooth tip, relaxed casting, moderate butt. GIV M
1997-2003 RPLxi RPLxi Revised and improved saltwater (less stiff -loads quicker) GIII M/F
1998-2004 DS2 DS2 Lower Price point Graphite II GII M/F
1999-2006 XP XP Lighter narrower tapered Fast Action GIIIe F
2001-2005 VPS Lt Relaxed open style casts. Delicate presentations. GIIIe M
2002-2007 SLT SLT Medium Fast Action. Relaxed casting action. Replaces SP. GIIIe M/F
2002-2008 TCR TCR Ultra fast action for experianced Casters GIIIe U/F
2003-2004 LE LE Entry Price Point Rod M/F
2004-2009 Xi2 Xi2 New Saltwater rod was first with new generation 5 (G5) Technology G5 F
2005-2010 TXL TXL Near weightless for light lines G5 M/F
2005-2008 Fli Fli Entry Level Fast Action taper with maximum power transfer G5 F
2005-2009 Launch Launch Entry Level smoth progressive power curve and very high strength to weight ratio G5 M
2006-2010 VT2 VT2 Mid price point upgrade to long running VPS. Workhorse. M/F
2007-2011 Z-Axis Z-Axis Ultimate Fast Action Rod coupled with trmendous feel (2 piece, 4 piece, Spey and Switch) G5 F
2008-2011 Bass BASS Finally released after years of development. Target Bass even Snook, Baby Tarpon and Pike F
2008
ZXL ZXL Medum action Cousin to the Z-Axis in weights 3-6. Relaxed, classic action rod. G5 M
2009
TCX TCX Replacement for TCR but fitting a wider range of casting styles (kryptonite green) G5 U/F
2009
Flight Flight Great features and a great price. Replaces Fli. G5 F
2010
Vantage Vantage Medium Fast value rod. Average performance. G5 M/F
2010
Xi3 Xi3 Salt Water Replacement for Xi2 G5 F
2010
99Nymph 99 Nymph angler 9’9″ with unique taper to make open loops. Soft mid, stiff tip. G5 M
2011
TXL-F TXL-F Light Line Ultra lightweight rod.Short distance only, accurate dry fly. G5 M/F
2011
VXP VXP Ultra high speed line and slender shaft begginer to experianced GIIIe U/F
2011
ESN ESN Designed for european direct line nymphing with multiple flies Konnetic M
2012
ONE ONE Flagship “all-around” rod Fast Action Konnetic F
2012
BassII BASS II Upgraded for faster line speeds for big flies. Target Bass, Snook, or Tarpon, Pike and Musky GIIIe F
2012
Approach Sage calls the Approach a rod beginning casters can grow with.Good value. GIIIe M/F
2012
Circa Heightened sensitivity technical presentation, trout rod. Best fished short range, light lines and flies. Konnetic S
2013
Motive The Motive is fast – maybe faster than the Xi3. Has a pretty stiff tip and mid-section, good feedback. GIIIe F
2013
Response Replaces Flight. Entry level. Average feel. GIIIe F
2013
Method Quick rod. Replaces TCX, (but feels softer) 40-80ft good acuracy. Not for close in action. Konnetic F
2013
Pike/Musky Look like BassII but longer at 9ft – Specialty rod Pike 10wt, Musky 11wt. G5 F
2014
Salt Good accuracy. 50′ best distance. At 70′ have to work a little harder than a faster rod. Konnetic M/F
2014
Accel Light swing weight, moderate flex. Replaces VXP. Accurate 30-50ft. Great for dry fly trout fishing G5 M/F
2015
Pulse Good progressive action.Reasonably accurate, All Water rod. GIIIe M/F
2015
Pulse ESN 10ft Pulse, Designed for tight line nymphing, but more versatile river rod. GIIIe M
2015
Bolt Feels like a Sage TCX , great distance, tight loops, needs a quick short casting stroke. GIIIe U/F
2015
Mod Great for short-to-middle distances. Medium action rod with medium recovery speed, nice soft tip. Konnetic Mod
2015
Little One Fast action small creek rod. Super lightweight with laser beam accuracy. Konnetic M/F
2016
X Fast-soft action fly rod, tighter loops, better accuracy, efficiency, and line control. New Flagship. KonneticHD F
2016
ESN For tight line nymphing KonneticHD M
2017
Salt HD Fast, loads deep in the blank. Greater lift and fish pulling power, light and stable accurate casts. KonneticHD F
2017
Foundation Slightly whippy upper-quarter, Value rod. Fast-action rod built for diverse fishing conditions. GIIIe F
2018
Igniter Efficient fast loading casts. Tight loops. Handles long belly lines well. KonneticHD U/F
2018
Dart Matches Rio Creek Line well, 3pc, accurate twiggy rod. KonneticHD F
2019
Trout LL Legacy reborn. Delicate touch, smooth easy feedback. Fly Anglers kryptonite at close range. KonneticHD M
2020
Sonic Action between X and LL. Easy to cast. Konnetic M/F
2020
Payload Fast action, softer butt, strong mid, powerful tip. Made to lift a heavy setup and fire quickly. Konnetic F
2020
Maverick Value SW rod. Fast-Med-fast feel. Easier casting action. Ideal for those normal 30–50 foot casts. Konnetic F
2021
Sense Euro Nymphing action combines soft tip to enhance precision then transitions into a more stout butt G5 M
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Howdy Randy,
Thanks so much for checking on my inquiry.
My understanding is that this was Mr. Green’s first design for Sage (Winslow), but the “Winslow” name on the rod was unacceptable by the local folks (????).
Anyway, I’ll keep up my search.
Thanks again Randy
john
I have acquired an old Sage Center axis 3wt rod with no reel .I had to ad lib a reel seat for it and it
remains my favorite creek setup.What are your thoughts on it .Its worth and possibilities of a getting a matching reel.
Hi there- I recently inherited a graphite iii GFL 890 RPLB but I can’t seem to find any information on it. I know it was purchased in 95. Anyone have any idea what the “B” stands for and what the value might be?
Hi Funkyduck…The “B” stands for “Blank”…meaning the rod was privately wrapped by an individual, not factory finished. Depending on condition, it is worth $100-$150. Thanks…RB.
Randy
I have a Sage rod GFL470 2 piece 2 1/8th oz by Winslow. I know it is early production but I cant find a serial number on it. It is a pure joy to fish with it. Any collector value or other information about it would be welcomed.
Hi Gerald…That’s a rare one. Probably mfg. in 1979 if the Winslow name is still on the rod tube. The GFL rods were the first graphite rods mfg. by Sage, which officially opened for business in 1980. A seven foot/four weight is even rarer. Can’t place a value since I’ve never seen one for sale. Readers? Thanks…RB.
Thank you for the information. The. rod is like new condition..
For my readers: https://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/index.php
This place has great info and discussion on vintage rods and also has a Classifieds section for buy/sell. A lot of good Sage info here. Thanks…RB.
Hi! I came across a Sage 99 in 8wt. I can’t find much about them besides some old reviews that are over 10 years old. Can you tell me a bit more about these rods (good and bad)? I’m thinking about buying one from a friend and fishing Silver Salmon with it, provided I can learn a bit more. Thank you!
Hi Tom C…A guy has one currently listed on Ebay for $395 BIN. Here is description from Sage copied from the listing:
“Sage’s description of the 99 Rod Series:
A day of multi-bug rigs, wind-resistant indicators and the requisite high-stick rod position can be enough to make your arm fall off before lunch. But the fact is, there simply isn’t a more reliable, effective technique for finding big fish. Which is why we created the 99.
Built with the same advanced G5 Technology as our Z-Axis rods, the most obvious nymph-specific feature of the 99 is its namesake 9-foot, 9-inch length, which makes short work of long, drag-free drifts. But that’s just the beginning. The 99’s unique taper loads lower on the blank to generate open loops, helping avoid tangles with multiple fly and indicator rigs. At the same time, a stiffer tip section handles heavy payload delivery but retains the sensitivity needed to detect subtle takes.
The 99s also feature slightly oversized guides specifically placed to make stack mending, shake-out and line feeding easier. Put it all together and you have a light, perfectly balanced rod that casts like a 9-footer but fishes like a 10. High-Stickers rejoice!”
Thanks…RB
Hi, great thread. Is there a place that might list the value of rods? I intertied a Sage LE
890 GRAPHITE #8 LINE 9’0″ 3 11/16 OZ. rod with the case. It has two pieces. I was wanting to see what I could get for it. Like I said. do you know of a source for values of older out of production rods?
Hi Sam…The Sage LE rods came out around 2003 but were not available very long before Sage discontinued them. I heard they were not very easy to cast and were poor sellers so Sage dumped them. As far as a source for values of older, out of production rods, check out the various flyfishing discussion forums, many of which have classified/marketplace sections.
“The Flyfishing Forum” is a good place to start. I would place a value of $100 on your 890LE. Thanks…RB